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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tuckerfan1053 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:46 pm

Tucker Fan 48 wrote:So I thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and do a little research. Well, the story just got another hole. Kennedy-King College is located at 6300 So. Halsted in Chicago. Their campus covers 18 acres from 63rd to 65th and from Green St. to Lowe Av. In other words, it covers the entire 6400 block of So. Halsted. It opened in the fall of 2007 so any homes there in 1981 or 1982 are conveniently gone. The Kennedy-King College was an urban renewal project that covered about 20 square blocks of the south side of Chicago and was in the Chicago news quite often over a 5 year period.
One way to sort this out (I'm trying to find another) is to call a local title company and see if you can sweettalk them into searching the address for you--every single real estate transaction of any sort, permits, easements, sales, new construction, has to have a title report done on it and what isn't registered in electronic format is sitting in great big books, done up by hand.

One could then find out who, if anyone, lived in the area, and try and track them down to see if they sold Reinert a Tucker or compare it against folks who were connected with the Tucker Corporation in some manner.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tucker Fan 48 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:40 pm

One way to sort this out (I'm trying to find another) is to call a local title company and see if you can sweettalk them into searching the address for you--every single real estate transaction of any sort, permits, easements, sales, new construction, has to have a title report done on it and what isn't registered in electronic format is sitting in great big books, done up by hand.

One could then find out who, if anyone, lived in the area, and try and track them down to see if they sold Reinert a Tucker or compare it against folks who were connected with the Tucker Corporation in some manner.


That was kind of where I was headed until I found out that the 6400 block of South Halsted is in the middle of a well known urban renewal area and
that EVERY single property within a 20 block area was condemned. So you're talking about hundreds of transactions and that every person in that area
has moved. If it were anywhere else, you could use a reverse directory, find an old-timer in the neighborhood, and most likely someone will remember
that old Mr.(whatshisname) had an old car with just a couple fenders on it. Trying to find out where hundreds of people moved to 10 years later is
almost impossible.

On the other hand, if you were going to make up a story about where you got something from, a place like this is the perfect cover because there is
almost no way to ever find the truth.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tuckeroo » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:43 pm

TuckerCar wrote:No, seriously. When we went to get 1043, we ended up in a Nudist Camp.


I stand corrected! Hopefully you don't think I'm a hypocrite, as I am not above injecting humor myself. I guess what I'm getting at here is how do we respond to what's being publicly slung at TACA?
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tuckerfan1053 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:09 am

Tucker Fan 48 wrote:One way to sort this out (I'm trying to find another) is to call a local title company and see if you can sweettalk them into searching the address for you--every single real estate transaction of any sort, permits, easements, sales, new construction, has to have a title report done on it and what isn't registered in electronic format is sitting in great big books, done up by hand.

One could then find out who, if anyone, lived in the area, and try and track them down to see if they sold Reinert a Tucker or compare it against folks who were connected with the Tucker Corporation in some manner.


That was kind of where I was headed until I found out that the 6400 block of South Halsted is in the middle of a well known urban renewal area and
that EVERY single property within a 20 block area was condemned. So you're talking about hundreds of transactions and that every person in that area
has moved. If it were anywhere else, you could use a reverse directory, find an old-timer in the neighborhood, and most likely someone will remember
that old Mr.(whatshisname) had an old car with just a couple fenders on it. Trying to find out where hundreds of people moved to 10 years later is
almost impossible.
Well, the person who gave me that advice, reiterated it when I explained what had happened to the area. They didn't seem to think that it would be that big of an issue. And really, if you could just pin down who lived in the area in 81-82, it could potentially do a lot to settling the matter. For example, if the area was populated by Vietnamese refugees who'd lived there for 10+ years (or if it turned out to have been an industrial park owned by a major corporation), it'd kind of shoot holes in the claim that the car was there for all those years.

Conversely, if one of the names turned up was exceedingly rare in the US, and someone with that same name happened to be known to work for Tucker, then we've got something worth digging further on.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tucker Fan 48 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:11 am

Well, the person who gave me that advice, reiterated it when I explained what had happened to the area. They didn't seem to think that it would be that big of an issue. And really, if you could just pin down who lived in the area in 81-82, it could potentially do a lot to settling the matter. For example, if the area was populated by Vietnamese refugees who'd lived there for 10+ years (or if it turned out to have been an industrial park owned by a major corporation), it'd kind of shoot holes in the claim that the car was there for all those years.

Conversely, if one of the names turned up was exceedingly rare in the US, and someone with that same name happened to be known to work for Tucker, then we've got something worth digging further on.


Unfortunately it's not that easy.

Here is some of what I uncovered. In the 40s, Germans and Swedes made up the largest ethnic groups, but the
immigrant population was below 20 percent. African Americans made up about 2 percent of the area. Between
1940 and 1980 the ethnic composition of the community changed.
Black working-class people became the dominant group in the community. From 2% of the total population in
1940, blacks made up 10% in 1950, 69% in 1960, and over 98% in 1980. Some community institutions and
businesses left the community, and the shopping district declined. The 1960s brought some urban renewal to
the area. In 1964 The Chicago Department of Urban Renewal designates the shopping center at 63rd and
Halsted streets an urban renewal area. Developers convert the area into a pedestrian shopping mall.
Just 10 years later, Wieboldt’s and Sears to close their stores in the new 63rd Street mall. Only smaller
stores, many operated by Asian immigrants, remain. By 1980, Ninety-eight percent of the areas 62,069
residents are black. In 20 years, the area’s white population has plummeted from 51,583 to 818. The area
has lost more than 30,000 residents. In 1988 the local hospital closes due to lack of funding. Finally in 1999,
Mayor Richard M. Daley announces a $256 million revitalization plan for the area. It includes demolishing
over 20 city blocks and relocating Kennedy-King College to the 63rd and Halsted area.

What you have in an area that went through TWO urban renewals, major shifts in ethnic groups, foreclosed,
abandoned, and burned out buildings. Now everything has been ripped down and leveled. The area was re-platted
and is no longer in the data base, however the records still exist at the City. It would be like looking for a
needle in a haystack and with not even a name to search for, how would you start? There were probably 40+
homes in the 6400 block of South Halsted. You'd have to dig through hundreds of records to figure out who
was there then, and then try to locate them 30 years later as EVERYONE of them was relocated. About the time
you'd do all that, Allan could come back and say maybe it was the 6500 block.

I think there is a reason the car was "alleged" to have been in this area. It's an area where no one can trace it.

I'd still like to know how could the car be in Milwaukee Wisconsin in 1972 when Allan swears it was kept undercover
by a former Lencki employee in in the 6400 block of South Halsted of Chicago until 1981 or 1982?
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby TUCKER » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:17 am

If it will make it more easy I know who knew the person who sold 1027 to Alan. I will give him a call and ask him for more information about this person who sold Alan the car. This person used parts for his car. I'm shure this will give you the best clues to this car being 1027. I will try to getthe number also from the past owner who is still alive. I know this person who used to own the 1027 car lived in the east coast in Florida or around there at the time my friend helped part the car out. I believe he also was a friend of Alan to help collect Tucker parts from the east coast. Alan had many friends who helped him in his with his collection back then. I will get back to you with the information. John (Mr Blue Egg) I believe tracked him down already before me but if not it will be a big surprise I will have for all of you.

I will later show you something else I have from 27 :)
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tucker Fan 48 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:25 am

Tucker, you are my hero!
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby TUCKER » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:28 am

Think about this, someone sold Alan 1027 and now he says that he never had 1027. Why would he say he never had a car he bought at one time?
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tucker Fan 48 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:33 am

Think about this, someone sold Alan 1027 and now he says that he never had 1027. Why would he say he never had a car he bought at one time?

Even more of a question, if you owned one of the most valuable Tuckers ever built (#1027, the car that rolled at Indy) why would you not admit it?
Could it be that he never realized it's value and now would have to admit the "convertible" story is false? Back when he started this story, Tuckers
were not worth the 1 million+ they are today, but a secret convertible might have brought large dollars.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby TUCKER » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:38 am

He shure wants to push it to the top ca$h but that will be very hard now due to the internet and all the information here. He is also out of stories.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tucker Fan 48 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:03 pm

Thanks Tuckercar for getting this moved and operating !
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tucker Fan 48 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:19 pm

Does anyone have access to an R.L. Polk reverse directory for Chicago from 1980 or 1981? That would give us
the information on who might have lived in the 6400 block of South Halsted. Up until the mid-60s, it was mostly
retail shops with what were probably small apartments upstairs. There does not appear to have been any homes.
I found a reverse directory from before WW II but that is not much help. It only shows a handful of people living
there but almost 50 small retail businesses operating between 64th and 65th on South Halsted in Chicago.
In the mid-60s the retail shops were torn down to build a shopping center which quickly failed. It's doubtful that
anyone lived at the shopping center in the 6400 block of South Halsted, other than homeless people, but if we
could find a reverse directory from 1980 or 1981 we could give Reinert the benefit of the doubt and check out his
story.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Randy Earle » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:38 pm

You read my mind. The first thing I thought was to consult a City Directory. Is it possible the car was not at a residence but in a building? If the whole story isn't conjecture, that would be the only answer. I looked at a 1962 atlas and saw no residences.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tucker Fan 48 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:46 pm

Randy, in trying to be fair, it could have been in a building I guess. The story is that it was a former Lencki
employee that had it. There was a major change in the area after 1964 as the first of two urban renewals
took place. Probably most of what you saw in your 1962 atlas was torn down to build the shopping center
which by the mid 70s was pretty well boarded up. A directory from the late 70s or early 80s would be helpful.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tucker Fan 48 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:11 pm

No, seriously. When we went to get 1043, we ended up in a Nudist Camp.

Tuckercar is absolutely right. If you miss the turn off Fish Hatchery Rd to go to Allen's house in Burlington WI.
the road will end about a mile past Allan's right in front of the Sun Ray Hills Nudist Camp, Why aren't everyones
facts this easy to check out?

It's interesting that Mel Koeppen, the Tucker account, lives less than 20 miles from Allan.
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