Tucker Convertible on Ebay

[plancor 792]

In 1973 George Spiegel lived at 627 North 40th. Street Milwaukee, WI. 53208. George purchsed 1043 in 1957. Noted in one of the above photos taken at Stan Gilliland's place, that there was a Tucker frame resting on its side to the left of what should be the remains of Body 55.

Richard

[john]

TuckerCar,
Glad to see that you gave this firestorm a seperate area, thanks.

Are you going to break it up now so we can address each topic seperatly???

I have a very hard time with the way it's all combined now.

I am going to stand back for now until such time I can place more info into the seperate catagories.

Check out the name: Jim Lachenski, think it was the 69th block, would have to go through all of my notes for the block though.The date was 1972 as I recall.
The stories of all the other crap, is just that, crap !!!!

Signing off,
John

[Tucker Fan 48]

Thanks again Richard, you are a great asset to Tucker history.

You might have proved the first bit of information from Benchmark with some degree of truth to it.
If in 1973, George Spiegel lived at 627 North 40th. Street Milwaukee, WI. 53208, then it is possible
someone saw a sedan at a Machine Shop on Blue Mound Road in 1972 as Spiegel's house on North 40th
is less than 300 feet from Blue Mound Road. That still doesn't prove the "convertible" is real but it is
the only thing I've found so far that MIGHT be possible. There was a Tucker sedan in Milwaukee in 1972
and it was very near Blue Mound Road. Of course Reinert knew that too, so the source of the sighting
on Blue Mound Road in 1972 could have been Reinert himself. Did Spiegel own any other Tuckers as the
Benchmark story is that mr. someone saw the "convertible", a sedan, and Tucker factory blueprints.
Any idea what year Reinert "acquired" #1043 from Spiegel? I don't find a George Spiegel living in
Wisconsin anywhere but do see that a George Spiegel passed away in 1988.

John,

You mentioned Jim Lachenski, in the 69th block. Are you referring to Blue Mound Road in Milwaukee
or Halsted Ave. in Chicago? Which car are you thinking was there? Also are you sure on the spelling of
Lachenski?

[TUCKER]

Hello Richard (Plancor 792), do you have any old photos of the convertible from years ago in your collection?

[john]

Tucker fan 48,

It is Chicago, thats where Alan claimed he purchased #57 from, era, 1972, first possession>>> blue easter egg picture>>>

I would have to sort through all of my notes, we had a copy of the original bill of sale from the person alan claimed he bought #57 from, which my partner seen, first hand, while viewing everything Alan had on # 57 for """5 hours"""", I bounced back and forth on the phone with him, multiples of times, to verify certain aspects of #57 while he was there.

Tucker touched upon one of the things my partner questioned and had concern on with me while looking at the car, in person>>>> 5 hours.

I later found out that the location alan claimed Lencki's shop was at, was not true!!!
Whole different story though, will wait till the board is set up so it can be addressed properly.
NOTE:
Go back to basics and the start, thats another reason why we have been pushing to get topic areas for the new board index on #57, maybe 15 or so are needed.

Alaways said it was complicated and one could not "piece meal" a story, Tucker found that out and stated so in his writting, it will be nice to get the different catagories, it will all unfold then.

Think about this, how could #57, according too alan and Benchmarks story telling, be in two different locations at the same time, junk at Ezra's & secreted away at the same time at Lencki's>>>> thats the basis and the start of real controversy, thats the only way their story makes any sense, which it seems not to, that leads to real big trouble though?
Sooooooo glad we walked.
We dug deep guys,
John

[Tucker Fan 48]

John,

In Allan's You Tube video, (#2 of 5) he claims he bought the car in 1981 or 82 in the 6400 block of South Halsted in Chicago.

http://www.youtube.com/user/1badbadger

The 6900 block was very commercial, much like the 6400 block before the two urban renewal projects ripped it all up. There
was a Woolworths there at one time. A lot of Doctors offices and a few apartments. Hopefully you can track down the bill of
sale and find a name or address we can look into.

[streamliner]

TUCKER,

Help me understand the frame pictures you posted earlier. You showed one frame on its side. There appears to be some triangulation done to the frame to strengthen it, just behind the low, grooved floorpan. I cut and pasted your picture below:




The LIFE archive photo from September 9, 1950 does show enough of the frame to show that it has no triangulated strengthening:



So, was the picture you posted supposed to be Frame #57? If so, and if the LIFE photo is in fact #57, then #57 was not strengthened at the Tucker factory, at least not as of September 9, 1950...

[Tuckerfan1053]

I believe that the section you're talking about in the frame on its side is not visible in the Life photos. If you'll look here: http://tuckerfan.googlepages.com/Tucker-4_jpg.jpg you'll see a rough schematic of what a Tucker frame looks like. Tuckers, as you will recall, were unibodies welded to a frame. The floor pan of the cars was below the frame rails (safety feature). If you remove the body from the frame of a Tucker, you have to cut it free, and depending upon where you cut, you can leave the floor pan behind.

The section you're talking about is actually where the body begins to taper towards either the trunk or engine portion of the vehicle. The section of frame of 1057 visible in the photo you linked to is the interior of the car, and not the engine area.

[TUCKER]

That is the 1027 vert on its side when it was being reinforced by Allin, If you have seen other photos of where Allin used to put his cars together you will recognize the walls on the building. I have many more photos but they are photocopies which were part of the convertible brochure of years ago when he had it for sale together with 1043. It is the frame with the coul attached to it on its side!

[Tuckerfan1053]

BTW, it seems that the Library of Congress has reverse directories for the time period in question, so if anyone wants to drop them an email and see what they might have to say about the subject, we should have the answer back from them in a week or so.

[plancor 792]

I believe what you are referring to was a normal piece of the frame. Not strengthning of it for a convertible. The view to the right is to the front end. Those boxes to the left are the boxes that the rear suspension units were bolted to. I note that the frame has been cut off where the engine would have been mounted.

There was another Walz Blue Tucker during the period of time that may have some bearing on who saw what, when and where. Allen Korbel of 11050 West Blue Mound Road Milwaukee, WI owned Tucker 1034. Korbel purchased the car from Jay Bros. Motor Car Company on 07/03/68 and sold it to Clayton Stone in late 1977.

Richard

[plancor 792]

After looking at the latest photos, seems the frame has a different view and the boxes on the right are where the rear suspension would have been attatched. The frame appears to be a normal frame to me and I see no additional strengthning on it that would indicate it was modified for the convertible.

Richard

[plancor 792]

George Spiegel passed away several years back.

Richard

[john]

TuckerCar,
As I like TaterTots!, do we most definetly need catagories for the;
A- frame,
B-Lencki, his involment w/Preston and his part in the Tucker corp,
C-alan's statements since benchmark purchased it,
D- catagory with best detail of all tucker cars histories we can organize and add to now,
E- blue easter egg picture,
F- catagory with all of Ricardo's pictures he has added,
G-catagory with everything on the 4 dr experimental pictures, with Life pictures, and what we know as fact about it,
H- catagory for # 27, 52 and others in question that may or may not have been used in part,
I- ADD<<<<< ADD<<<< ADD<<<<< please !!!!!!
J-
K-
L-
M-
N-

GUYS, > JF, Tatra Man, Tuckeroo,Streamliner, Tucker fans 48 & 53, Tucker, Tucker Car , Plancor, """you guys especailly should know""" that we need to organize, correct me if I am wrong !~~~~~~

PLEASE>>>>> everybody, lets place the topics we NEED to break down in the new board index site, OK?????????????
PLEASE>
John

[Tucker Fan 48]

There is an Allen Korbel, still alive and well in Milwaukee. The 11050 W. Bluemound Road area is a very commercial area.
It could have been the site of the machine shop from 1972. Presently there are three businesses using that address.
Spencer Insurance, Brew City Pizza, and Meadowbrook Church, which is a non-dominational church, (it's possible that they
worship Tuckers?). Did Korbel have any other Tuckers or a Tucker frame? Could he have had full scale drawings of a
Tucker as claimed by Mr. someone?

Tucker #1034 didn't have a lot of owners. Allen Korbel, Clayton Stone, and now the Cofers. Did any of them ever mention
a full scale set of factory drawings for a Tucker?