#1018

[Tuckercar1018]

If there are any wayward 1018 parts out there I would very much appreciate your assistance in reuniting them !!!

[Tucker Fan 48]

The hood that was sold appears to have never been on a car. It does not have any wear marks where the hinges would have been bolted on to it.

Oh, and Hotrod didn't buy it.......

Ok, I'll bite I guess. Who bought it then?

[Tuckercar1018]

Sorry, my attempt at humor.....

I bought the hood along with the frame.

[Tucker Fan 48]

So if you have the frame, has it ever been measured to determine if it is an early or late frame?
There has been tons of speculation as to what it is from. It would seem it would not be that hard
to pin it down. Can you post some more photos of it other than what was on e-bay from the listing?
Some have thought it was from #1018 but the photos I have of #1018 show that frame was
destroyed and the E-Bay frame could not be #1018 unless it shows a HUGE amount of damage
close up on the right rear and a lot of welding in the drivers door area.

Please feel free to jump in and help out with the discussion of your frame.

[Tuckercar1018]

This is the frame of #1018. The providence lines of ownership include Stan Gilliland and Mark Lieberman.

Yes, there has been alot of welding done to the frame.

[Tucker Fan 48]

Thank you for jumping in on this discussion. There is a lot of speculation about the frame
and where it could have come from. Of course you have a huge advantage of being able to look
at it as opposed to those of us the can only go by old photos. I do have a few questions.

OK, I've read about Stan Gilliland and Mark Lieberman and I know about the welding to the front

BUT, while you have had the frame, has it ever been measured to determine if it is an early or late frame?

Can you post some more photos of it other than what was on e-bay from the listing?

I have a lot of photos and first hand accounts of #1018 that would seem to make it impossible
for it to be the #1018 frame. Of course with anything Tucker, facts are always better than
speculation. I always keep an open mind about all of this because what would appear to be
true sometimes is not when it comes to Tucker parts.

The information I have had the frame ripped in half. Photos also show that. The right rear
area was crushed a couple feet into the car just ahead of the motor. From the E-Bay listing
photo your frame does not appear to have any of that damage. Does it appear that it was
welded back together just in front of the cross-section (the area with the big hole in it)
and does it have heavy damage in the right rear?

I know the frame was in two pieces and had two separate owners for many years so the
thought of someone finding the two parts and putting them together is amazing but
nothing about the cars ever totally surprises me anymore.

I've been able to track down most of the history on #1018. The verious owners and where
most of the parts went. It would be exciting to verify that the frame you have is from #1018.
There is only one early frame unaccounted for unless someone has been tunneling under
Richard Jones' garage lately. Of course if it is not the #1018 frame then the other possiblity
would make it even more valuable. Either way it's a great piece of history.

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[Tuckercar1018]

Previous posts have mentioned various people with a frame. These all refer to the same frame. This is #1018. Stan Gilliland, Chick Delorenzo, George Esch, Mark Lieberman, Mr. Miller at Ypsilanti Museum, Tom in Minnesota, and myself, pretty much in that order have had #1018. Previous posts mention these guys, but have not seemed to link together the fact that it is the same frame all have had. It had extensive damage and work done to it. Does that help?

Also #1018's hood ornament went from Stan to Chick to myself.

I apologize if I have spelled some names wrong !!!

[Tuckercar1018]

Also, this is the early frame.

[Tucker Fan 48]

Previous posts have mentioned various people with a frame. These all refer to the same frame. This is #1018. Stan Gilliland, Chick Delorenzo, George Esch, Mark Lieberman, Mr. Miller at Ypsilanti Museum, Tom in Minnesota, and myself, pretty much in that order have had #1018. Previous posts mention these guys, but have not seemed to link together the fact that it is the same frame all have had. It had extensive damage and work done to it. Does that help?

Also #1018's hood ornament went from Stan to Chick to myself.

I apologize if I have spelled some names wrong !!!

Yes, I knew about all of them and you are correct. Starting at Stan Gilliland and going to the present, the frame has been attributed to #1018.

The "story" that this is the #1018 has been around for many years through many owners.

However, I've started with George McKinney the original owner of #1018. He was a Tucker distributor and dealer. If I remember correctly he even
became President of the Dealers group. McKinney owned #1018 at the time if the accident. It was returned to his home in Bradford PA afterward.
The two pieces were then sold to different people. I've tracked it forward from there but have not been able to find a place where the ownership
came back to a common owner so that the two pieces could rejoin each other.

It would be nice to find that link so that the facts would match the "story" that has been passed down.

The possible link could be Wayne McKinley but I've not been able to tie any of the rear section of #1018 to him. Just speculating, but it seems
unlikely that Stan Gilliland would have put the frame back together because Stan had several frames and even a test frame (future convertible).
I can't see why he would have bothered given the mess the two pieces were in. McKinley was the first person Gilliland talked to when be became
interested in Tuckers so it is possible Stan got the frame from him but McKinley was hoping to build a complete car out of his parts.

You mentioned it is an early frame. I know I've asked twice already and maybe I'm not phrasing my question properly so please forgive my
asking a third time but while you have had the frame, has it ever been measured to determine if it is an early or late frame? I guess what I'm
asking is how were you personally able to determine that it is the #1018 frame other than the Gilliland, Delorenzo, Esch, Lieberman, Miller, Tom
story. It's not that I don't believe it is the #1018 frame and certainly some of those names are pretty respectable but nobody has ever came
forward with any facts about it . I've read many posts here on the board that say it's not #1018 and some that say it is. I'm sure you must have
more knowledge than anyone here about it so I'm more willing to believe you but it would certainly put it to rest if someone were to say the early
frames measure XX inches from A to B, the late frames measure xx inches at the same point. The red frame was measured from A to B and it
measured XX. CASE CLOSED.

I really don't think it is the #1042 frame as some speculate it is. There are several late frames out there but a measurement would take those
out of being possible. I don't recall any other test frames that are not accounted for.

Of course the main reason I'd love to see the issue over this frame completely put to rest is once it is proved beyond a doubt where it came
from and that you have the frame, it can no longer be anywhere else. My hope is that over the next couple years we can account for almost all
the parts from all the cars. Otherwise we will continue see more Tucker convertibles show up and E-Bay will be flooded with "genuine" Tucker
parts. I'd hate to see that happen but it will if no one can prove otherwise.

Anyway, I'd love to hear more about your frame. Maybe we can get Wayne in Roscoe and Dave Cammack to sell you the rest of the parts to
put it all back together again. Of course a couple pieces are in Madison WI and can be bought for 5 million dollars

[cicero]

Sorry, my attempt at humor.....

I bought the hood along with the frame.

Pics or it didn't happen...

[Tuckercar1018]

by plancor 792 on Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:25 am

After email with the seller this is the frame that George Esch had and it came from Tucker 1018.
Sorry for the confusion.
Richard


This was a previous reply from Richard pertaining to 1018.

[streamliner]

Tuckercar1018,

Thanks for the help in tracing back the history of this important frame.

When you can, could you please post some pix of the hole for the heater (the one that looks like Mickey Mouse). A closeup of the edge would be great to see, as well as both sides of the plate that it's stamped into. Of course, any and all other pix would be great to see of the overall frame and the repairs done to it over the years. Do you know who repaired it and when it was done?

Thanks (in advance), as you've probably got the most accessible frame that's out there...