#1018

[Tucker Fan 48]

I know the history on #1018 has been picked apart in every direction. It seems the actual car has been too. There are still a few
missing pieces to the puzzle of #1018 and I'm guessing all the answers are here and we just need to put them together.

#1018 was in Bradford, PA for a relatively short time before it was wrecked and it was brand-new when it got there. The car was
returned to the owners garage in Bradford after it was wrecked. We've heard from people that rode in the car before it was
wrecked and saw it back in Bradford afterward. We've also heard from witnesses that saw the car wrecked in East Aurora, NY.
Bradford, PA is 55 miles from East Aurora, NY so this all seems to fit together. The accident happened in August of 1948 well
before the shutdown and auction of the plant.

Question: Who was the owner of (or person that had) #1018 in Bradford, PA.? Was it a dealer/distributor or had someone bought
it somehow?

The next we hear about #1018 is that at least the front half showed up at Les Schafer's in Steelton PA. which is 150 miles from
Bradford, PA. Again, it seems reasonable that the car could have traveled that distance.

Question: Do we know if Les had more than the front half? Did he have the rear half of the body and if so, where did it go?

The car then went from Les to Wayne McKinley. How much Wayne had of #1018 is unknown at this time.

Question: What did Wayne buy from Les? Did he have the rear half of the body and if so, where did it go?

Stan Gilliland bought the parts from McKinley and was shipping them to Detroit for some reason when supposedly the truck
crashed dumping the parts all over. One can only speculate hear that Gilliland bought the parts from Wayne and was shipping
them direct to Richard Kughn otherwise why would he have been shipping them to Detroit? Gilliland was doing work on other
cars for Kughn so he could have brokered the deal from McKinley to Kughn for the Tucker parts.

Question: Was Gilliland brokering the deal from McKinley to Kughn for the Tucker parts? Did the parts at that time include all
of what ended up being Lot #684? How did the doors from #1027 come to be part of Lot #684? The cowl in Lot #684
is stamped #52. Where did it come from?

When Richard Kughn sold parts lot #684 it had a valid Michigan title Vin: 33590. It also included engine # 33590.

Question: Was engine number 33590 the original engine in #1018?

I've seen a story that Mark Lieberman had the rear half of the frame to #1018 and it had the front end of a '66 Olds Toronado
welded onto it. Since we've seen pictures of the front clip of #1018 with the rear half missing that seems possible as well.
Supposedly Lieberman gave the frame to Jack Miller at Miller Motor's (Ypsilanti Heritage Automotive Museum).

Question: Did Lieberman really have this frame? If so, how did he get it? Where is the sheet metal from the rear of #1018?

The Club was supposed to receive pictures of the wreck.

Question: Did anyone ever get pictures of the car wreck in East Aurora, NY. ?

I have pictures of the tree which is still standing today

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[TuckerCar]

I've seen a story that Mark Lieberman had the rear half of the frame to #1018 and it had the front end of a '66 Olds Toronado
welded onto it. Since we've seen pictures of the front clip of #1018 with the rear half missing that seems possible as well.
Supposedly Lieberman gave the frame to Jack Miller at Miller Motor's (Ypsilanti Heritage Automotive Museum).

Question: Did Lieberman really have this frame? If so, how did he get it? Where is the sheet metal from the rear of #1018?

The Club was supposed to receive pictures of the wreck.

There is some confusion on whether the red frame welded to the Toronado frame is 1018 or 1042. (TUCKER can provide insight on this determination). Whatever is was, Lieberman donated it to Jack Miller. A few years later it ended up on eBay, and sold to Marty in Grand Rapids who still owns it now.

Mark bought the frame from Chick DeLorenzo.

As for the photo of the wreck of 1018, I asked Cammack to bring it out last time I was there and snapped these photos:

[Tucker Fan 48]

Awesome information!!

So the Red Frame in Grand Rapids, the 1018 frame, the 1042 frame, the frame that Lieberman had, the frame with
the Oldsmobile front end welded on it, and the extra frame that Chick DeLorenzo once had are ALL THE SAME FRAME

I'm almost afraid to ask where Chick DeLorenzo got it from? Dave Cammack bought a bunch of items that were on the rear
of the car from Lance Lewis of Emporium, PA. which is just 37 short miles from Bradford, PA. where all the parts of the car
were last seen together. Amazingly when Cammack bought the parts in 1992 they had only moved 37 miles in the 44 years
since 1018 wrecked.

That leads to my next set of questions: Was Lance Lewis the the owner of (or person that had) #1018 in Bradford, PA.?
Did Lewis sell the front clip to Les Sheaffer, or did Sheaffer sell the rear half to Lewis, or did they each buy their halves
from someone in Bradford, PA.? Sheaffer lived only 110 miles from Emporium, PA. and 150 miles from Bradford, PA.
So I guess I'll have to ask where Chick DeLorenzo got the frame from and was the rear sheet metal still attached to the
frame? Is #1018 the source of the rear fenders, deck lid, and possibly doors for Chick's car? Chick lives 140 miles from
Sheaffer and 200 miles from Lewis.


I transcribed this from Dave Cammack’s notes:

Tucker #1018 wrecked in East Aurora, N.Y. 1948 when it wrapped around a tree. Front end was salvaged and sold to
Lester A. Sheaffer of Harrisburg, PA. Dave Cammack purchased Engine # 17 with Y-1 Transmission, radiator, air intake
grills on front of Rear Fenders & Under Seat Gasoline Heater made by Motorola from Lance Lewis of Emporium, PA. at
Hershey Fall Meet in October 1992.

Picture sent to Dave by Jack Miller of Ypsilanti, MI. formally a Hudson Dealer for 70 years, known as Miller Motor Sales,
100 East Cross Street, Ypsilanti, MI. It is now known as Ypsilanti Automotive Heritage Collection since early 1997, Ypsilanti, MI.

Anyone know if the engine Dave Cammack bought is #17 or is it #33517? I know that back in Sept of 2002 Richard Jones
posted here that there were engines are stamped with a single number such as the number 7. others are stamped with
two numbers such as 28 but most are stamped 335 followed by two or three numbers. such as 33512 or 335110.

[TuckerCar]

Funny thing is B&B made the heaters, not Motorola.

Anyway, here's the eBay auction of the frame when Marty bought it. Still don't know who was selling it, or how that person got it from Jack Miller. I would guess Marty could clarify that.

http://tuckerclub.org/uploads/1018%20Frame.pdf

[Tucker Fan 48]

TuckerCar you are my hero today! I wish everyone would have PDF'd the E-Bay listings that are posted on this site. There are
tons of links to interesting history that of course go nowhere anymore because E-Bay purges their listings after 90 days.
At least we know it's a 1980 Olds Omega attached to the chassis.

Foundtreasures01 has not sold any items on E-Bay since Jan of 07 and lived in St Paul MN at that time. He said he had other
48 Tucker items for sale. What and where did it go? I noticed that someone named tuckercar did business with the seller of
the frame back in 2006.

[TuckerCar]

Hmmm. Well I'll be...

Looked into old emails and apparently I purchased a "1-2-3-4-5-M" radio head from Foundtreasures01 AKA Donna Murawski. According to her, it was out of Tucker 1020 but that seems like a late car to not have a "T-U-C-K-E-R" radio.

Had a bunch of different emails:
jasondomeier<at>yahoo.com
murdbhjj<at>aol.com

In addition to the frame and radio head, she sold a left-front door (1042?), a rear decklid (1042?) and a hood/bonnet (1027?) - the same parts that were with the frame when Lieberman had it.

http://www.tuckerclub.org/uploads/1042door.pdf
http://www.tuckerclub.org/uploads/1042decklid.pdf
http://www.tuckerclub.org/uploads/1027hood.pdf

Oddly enough, I didn't save the auction for the radio head.

[Tucker Fan 48]

Oddly enough, I didn't save the auction for the radio head.

I'll bet it's worth more now than what you paid for it!!!

[Tucker Fan 48]

she sold a left-front door (1042?), a rear decklid (1042?) and a hood/bonnet (1027?) - the same parts that were with the frame when Lieberman had it.

http://www.tuckerclub.org/uploads/1042door.pdf
http://www.tuckerclub.org/uploads/1042decklid.pdf
http://www.tuckerclub.org/uploads/1027hood.pdf

How did you determine that the left door and deck lid were from #1042 and the hood was from #1027?

fayhoo2bd1 bought the left door for $2,000.00 and one other item (unknown) from her. fayhoo2bd1 has not been active on E-Bay since May of 07
karpetboy bought the deck lid for $1,225.00 karpetboy is in Alto, MI. and is still active on E-Bay
hotrod325w bought the front hood for $1,250.00 hotrod325w is still active on E-Bay

[TuckerCar]

More assertions by TUCKER. I can see the hood being from 1027. As for 1042 parts, that's merely a guess I'd think.

[Tucker Fan 48]

I thought I read that cars #1001-#1006 had the "1-2-3-4-5-M" radio head and starting with #1007 they had the T-U-C-K-E-R head but I
know that #1021 has the "1-2-3-4-5-M" head so I don't think that post was correct . If I remember correctly however Motorola made the
"1-2-3-4-5-M" radio head for another auto company and they used it. I can't find my information on it right at the moment. It may have
came from a post back in 2003 or so. After reading close to 5500+ posts on this site my memory is on overload. Not to mention I'm still
waiting for the 100+ people that claim to have recently seen a Tucker in the neighbors back yard or nearby junkyard to let us know
where they are.

[TuckerCar]

Probably from a Cadillac or something - I guess there's no way to know one way or another. I had an extra box and thought it would be nice to have both variations, but I don't even know where I put the thing so I guess it was a waste of money.

[MD]

Most of the early Tuckers had the 1-2-3-4-5-M radio head, up to and including #1024... #1025 and up had the T-u-c-k-e-r radio head, or left the factory with no radio at all. #1005 and #1014 both have the later radio head mounted in the dash face, instead of in the usual location, with the chrome frame modified to wrap around the radio head.

[TuckerCar]

Most of the early Tuckers had the 1-2-3-4-5-M radio head, up to and including #1024... #1025 and up had the T-u-c-k-e-r radio head, or left the factory with no radio at all. #1005 and #1014 both have the later radio head mounted in the dash face, instead of in the usual location, with the chrome frame modified to wrap around the radio head.

FOR SALE: Radio head from Tucker 1020. $15,000. Extensive documentation to prove origin in form of email from eBay seller. Also have affidavit from clerk at Radio Shack indicating he's seen a radio before and wants to know if you need batteries. Contact Richard Simmons, agent, at (985) 655-2500.

[Tucker Fan 48]

FOR SALE: Radio head from Tucker 1020. $15,000. Extensive documentation to prove origin in form of email from eBay seller. Also have affidavit from clerk at Radio Shack indicating he's seen a radio before and wants to know if you need batteries. Contact Richard Simmons, agent, at (985) 655-2500.

Don't forget your affidavit from Master Restorer Alvin the Chipmonk that says: "in early 1966, I saw the radio chassis and many sheet metal parts for the Tucker Radio. I also saw that the radio was stamped # 1020 and its frame was reinforced at that time. I have also recently seen and inspected the Tucker Radio and verified its authenticity."

[Randy Earle]

One thing in the back of my mind is....Bradford and Emporium PA are out in the middle of BFE. I grew up east of there, and if you want to talk about "out in the sticks" that's not stretching things. How the heck did a Tucker end up there in the land of the Zippo Lighter? It's all mountains and valleys....elk & deer jumping out all over the place. This stuff is turning into a Twilight Zone Episode.